Questions, comments and answers about "God never ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son"

I Guds namn, Den Barmhфrtigaste, Den Nхdigaste

Questions, comments and answers about
"God never ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son"

Notis: Det fЎljande фr en reproduktion av artikeln
"Questions, comments and answers about "God never ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son""

We (Submision.org) receive many letters carrying comments, questions or additions to our article about Abraham and Ismail. Some of these comments are repetition. We had to create this folder to answer some of the most common questions and comments from the viewers of our web site. If you do not find your answer here or you have a good point to debate, please feel free to write back to us. This discussion was carried with one of our viewers named Tariq. He is Arabic speaking by his admission. Tariq's comments are between <<...>>

Salaam brother Tariq

Thank you for your letter ЕЕЕЕ I assure you that we all speak Arabic here and not just you Е second of all to speak Arabic is not a guarantee to be blessed by God ЕЕ third of all your arguments, not only do they have no Quranic evidence to support them but they in fact CONTRADICT the Quran ЕЕ..

Now if you would like to research the following facts objectively and without letting your preconceptions affect your judgment you may be able to see the Quranic truth about this matter ЕЕ

1- You said :

<<<<Ibraheem is a prophet, and prophet are protected from following the inspirations of satan, even in dreams>>>>>

If prophets are protected from following inspirations of Satan, why did Moses kill a man, and then say that what he did was the work of the devil and then he repented to God?

28:15
УOnce he (Moses) entered the city unexpectedly, without being recognized by the people. He found two men fighting; one was (a Hebrew) from his people, and the other was (an Egyptian) from his enemies. The one from his people called on him for help against his enemy. Moses punched him, killing him. He said, "This is the work of the devil; he is a real enemy, and a profound misleader."

28:16
УHe said, "My Lord, I have wronged my soul. Please forgive me," and He forgave him. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.Ф

I hope you can see here that Moses the prophet was under the inspiration of the devil as he said in committing a gross sin of murder ЕЕ.

The same can be said of other prophets who God tells us they committed evil or sins and then repented to God Е.. this includes Jonah , Joseph, Solomon , and also Muhammad ЕЕ.

2- You then say

<<<<Ismail was a prophet too, and as the Quran states Ismail said to his father "Oh father do as you are ordered (or commanded)" ( this is my translation ), so Ismail knew it was an order or a command from Allah since prophets cant be commanded by satan.>>>>>

Once again this is wrong as I showed you Quranic evidence that prophets were victims of SatanТs inspiration. Besides there is no Quranic evidence to support your claim that Ismail or Abraham knew it was a command from God ЕЕ. Can you give ONE Quranic evidence ?

3- You also say :

<<<<<<the slaughter was a test from Allah for ibraheem, not an evil act, or a gross crime as the "article" states>>>>>>

Would you like to explain to me how killing your innocent son may not be a gross crime ?

You say :

<<<<"While this gross crime of a father slaughtering his own son is mentioned in the Bible, it is not supported by the Quran">>>>>>>

You mean if it is mentioned in the Bible it is called (slaughtering your son) and is a gross crime ЕЕ.. but if the same incident is in the Quran it is called a test and is ok??

The characters are the same (Abraham and his son) whether they are in the Bible or the Quran , they are the same people and the incident is the same Е.

4- You then ask :

<<<<<why would Allah reward someone who is following an "act of evil" inspired by satan ??>>>>>

God was not rewarding Abraham for following the dream from Satan , God was protecting Abraham from the inspiration of Satan Е.. that is the meaning of the verse , that God intervened to save Abraham from falling for SatanТs trick ЕЕ

This is identical to the story of Joseph when God intervened to save Joseph from falling for SatanТs inspiration to commit adultery with his MasterТs wife :

12:23
УThe lady of the house where he lived tried to seduce him. She closed the doors and said, "I am all yours." He said, "May GOD protect me. He is my Lord, who gave me a good home. The transgressors never succeed."

12:24
УShe almost succumbed to him, and he almost succumbed to her, if it were not that he saw a proof from his Lord. We thus diverted evil and sin away from him, for he was one of our devoted servants.Ф

You can see here that what God did to protect Joseph from committing adultery when he almost was going to , was not as you put it (reward for following Satan) but in fact protecting Joseph from falling for the inspiration of Satan.

In the case of Abraham, it is identical, God was not rewarding Abraham for falling for the inspiration of Satan, but in fact protecting Abraham from the inspiration of Satan ЕЕЕ

Then you say :

<<<<<why would Allah call someone who follows satan as a "righteous" ??>>>

Abraham did not follow Satan, he was about to ЕЕ The same is said of Joseph Е.. read the words:

УWe thus diverted evil and sin away from him, for he was one of our devoted servants.Ф

By your same logic, why would God call Joseph (one of our devoted servants) when he was about to commit adultery, if God did not protect him ???

6- Then you say :

<<<<obviosly the slaughter order was a test of submission by Allah to his most beloved prophet Ibraheem>>>>>

If you have a son and you always taught him NEVER to steal because it is a gross sin ЕЕ.

If one day you want to test him , would you test him by telling (go and steal some money for me ?) ЕЕ

Can you see that the concept is ridiculous and totally irrational ЕЕ God always told us that killing an innocent soul is a gross sin ЕЕ how can God test Abraham or any other believer by asking to do something that we are always told is a gross sin ?

If you read the Quran, and more important BELIEVE it you would know that God NEVER violates His Law, The law of God is to prohibit killing innocent souls, God will never break His law to test us!!!

7:28
УThey commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD NEVER ADVOCATES SIN. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"

7- Then You say

<<<<<righteous man killed a boy and moses wondered why he killed that boy, and the Quran clearly states that that righteous man had the knowledge from Allah that moses didnТt have and that man wasnТt acting upon his wishes or "satan inspirations", Allah ordered us to fight and kill if necessary the kufaar "none-belivers" even if they were our fathers or sons if they fought islam and did harm for it.>>>>>>

There is a great difference here , whether it was the young boy or killing the kufaar ЕЕ.

If you read the verses in the Quran that prohibit killing you will always see the words (except in the course of justice) ЕЕ

17: 33
УYou shall not kill any person for this is prohibited by GOD except in the course of justice.Ф (also 6:151)

The boy in the story of Moses was evil and it was thus in GodТs justice that he would be ordained to die ЕЕ Also fighting the kufaar who attack the believers and killing them is in accordance with GodТs justice since they are aggressors ЕЕ (by the way the Quran does not allow killing the Kufaar except in the case of war, in self defence, and not in the case of the believers being the aggressors.)

Now we come to the case of killing Ismail ЕЕ what crime did Ismail do to be killed ЕЕ what kind of justice would killing an innocent prophet like Ismail be ?

That is why it could never be in accordance with GodТs justice , since Ismail was neither an evil man (like the boy in the story of Moses) or an attacking Kafir in war !!!

Can you see the difference ?

8- You also say :

<<<<<one should understand that Allah treats prophets in a totally different way than all other human beings, and what might be an order or right for them to do doesnТt mean that all others should do it>>>>>>

Where is your Quranic evidence that prophets are allowed to commit sins that normal believers are not allowed to commit ???

It is true that prophets may be given some privileges that other men do not enjoy (like for examples the wealth given to Solomon , or the honour to have spoken to God as in the case of Moses) ЕЕ.. but you will never find prophets given concessions to allow them to commit sins that others are prohibited from Е.. you will never read of a prophet of God who is allowed to steal, kill or commit adultery Е..

Can you see the difference ???

9-

<<<<<that situation was for Ibraheem and Ismail alone for reasons Allah only knows and its not right to any one to try justify or explain certain god orders to his prophet based upon what we think is right or wrong,>>>>>>

It is not what we think is right or wrong that matters Е..
It is what God tells us is right or wrong that matters Е..

God tells us that killing an innocent soul is a gross sin Е.

You add :

<<<<<and maybe try to twist the facts in the Quran to make it more appealing or understanding to us.>>>>

Who is twisting the law of God ?? The law of God prohibits killing innocent souls Е. Are we twisting it by emphasising it ???

Finally you say :

<<<<<I hope what i mentioned above is enough for you to remove the article,>>>>>>

What you mentioned did not contain one Quranic evidence Е.. the reply I gave you is full of Quranic Ayat ЕЕ Maybe it is you who should remove the false concepts from your mind and start to believe Quranic evidence ЕЕ

In a reply to this e-mail Tariq wrote back. Here it is;

Salaam brother Tariq

You say :

<<<<Уmy arguments have the fullest support of the Quran and i dont think you are entitled to pass a judgment that they contradict Quran just because you have a different understanding of the Quran.>>>>>>

If your arguments have the fullest support of the Quran , how come in two letters you have not quoted any Quranic Ayat ? Instead you say things like (as all muslim scholars agree !!!) ЕЕ.

For your information all the priests and ministers all around the world agree that Jesus is God in the flesh Е.. can that be called evidence? Does that mean they are correct ???

I thought you may think about the Quranic Ayat I wrote but it seems you are not able ЕЕЕ

All your claims have no Quranic support, no Quranic AyatЕ. Just as an example you say :

<<< prophets are protected from the inspirations of satan after the prophicy, not befor it, when a prophet starts recieving the revelations and the words of Allah he becomes protected, >>>>>>>

What about Jonah , when God commanded him to go to his people and preach to them, then he forsake his mission in anger Е.. do you call that a sin or not (to forsake and disobey GodТs command) ?

21:87
УAnd Zan-Noon (Jonah), abandoned his mission in protest, thinking that we could not control him. He ended up imploring from the darkness (of the big fish's belly): "There is no god other than You. Be You glorified. I have committed a gross sin."

From this verse we know that Jonah was a prophet and receiving revelation and commands from God , and also in his own words he confessТs to committing a gross sin Е.

So what you are saying is totally wrong ЕЕ I have and am giving you Quranic evidence ЕЕ. But obviously you have decided to remain blind !

Then you say :

<<<<the prophets in general because they are the same ) "la ya'ateeh al-bateel" and this ayah is a clear reply to you that prophets are protected from any wrongful inspirations>>>>>

Sadly, the only words you quoted from the Quran are used wrongly!!! The words "la ya'ateeh al-bateel" are used in the Quran in connection to the Quran and NOT to the prophets (41:41-42)

If Muhammad was protected from sin and every word he spoke was revelation as you say , why does God reprimand Muhammad SIX times in the Quran for errors he made Е. Surely someone speaking only revelation could not speak error!!!

Among those errors that Muhammad was reprimanded for are the time when he prohibited something that God made lawful ЕЕ read 66:1 Е.. (do you know that God calls the act of prohibiting what is made lawful by God a gross sin?)

"O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by God, and do not aggress; God dislikes the aggressors." 5:87

"Say, "Did you note how God sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did God give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to God?" 10:59

On another occasion God reprimand Muhammad when he ignored the call of a blind man for guidance, because he preferred to debate with the rich leaders of Quraish Е..(80:1-12)

There are also another 4 cases ЕЕ

If every word spoken by Muhammad is revelation then how can he be reprimanded by God ?ЕЕ.

I was hoping you would free yourself from all the corrupt concepts and study the truth of the Quran ЕЕ

The truth of the Quran is that Only God Almighty is worthy of praise , that we should follow His Law ALONE (Quran) if we worship Him alone ЕЕand that the prophets of God are human beings like us (except that they are chosen by God to deliver messages) Е.. they are not divine :

18:110
УSay (O Muhammad), "I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord."

May I just warn you against idolizing GodТs servants (Muhammad or any other messenger) ЕЕ.

18:102
УDo those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as lords beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.Ф

On Judgment day Muhammad himself will disown all those who glorified him day and night, or fill their prayers with commemoration of him Еetc ЕЕJesus will do the same with those who called him Lord Еetc ЕЕ

May God bless you to the truth of the Quran

Your brother

Muhammad